That would explain why I kept seeing things about the Amazon strike in the news and yet did not stop seeing the delivery people out
everywhere.

Remember that their delivery guys are contractors, not Amazon employees. A mis-classified 1099 guy isn't going to attempt a strike, normally.

Very good point. I was thinking of the warehouses and those who load the trucks but, yeah, the delivery folks are probably contractors.

OTOH, I did somehow make the (maybe incorrect) assumptions that Teamsters usually = truck drivers and was indeed picturing the delivery drivers being part of it.


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Re: Re: Old School
By: Aaron Goldblatt to Dumas Walker on Thu Jan 16 2025 12:32 am

Remember that their delivery guys are contractors, not Amazon employees. A mis-classified 1099 guy isn't going to attempt a strike, normally.

Interesting that they drive Amazon vans, so we wouldn't know if they're a contractor or an actual Amazon employee.

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Re: Re: Old School
By: Aaron Goldblatt to Dumas Walker on Thu Jan 16 2025 12:32 am

That would explain why I kept seeing things about the Amazon strike in the news and yet did not stop seeing the delivery people out everywhere.

Remember that their delivery guys are contractors, not Amazon employees. A mis-classified 1099 guy isn't going to attempt a strike, normally.

well they arent 1099.
Amazon has a dsp program. companies throw in money and they get vans and company support and technology.

the dps are contracted with amazon. if they don't do well they get eliminated.

the delivery drivers are employees of the dsps and they get free shoes through amazon and they are paid and have insurance through their dsps.
Dps also follow amazon's drug testing structure which is weed is ok, everything else not ok.
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Re: Re: Old School
By: Dumas Walker to AARON GOLDBLATT on Thu Jan 16 2025 09:25 am

That would explain why I kept seeing things about the Amazon strike in the news and yet did not stop seeing the delivery people out everywhere.

Remember that their delivery guys are contractors, not Amazon employees. A mis-classified 1099 guy isn't going to attempt a strike, normally.

Very good point. I was thinking of the warehouses and those who load the trucks but, yeah, the delivery folks are probably contractors.

Amazon is unlike any other company. They do everything different. If you think of a warehouse that is not at all how any type of amazon building looks. Everything moves in and out fast. There is no warehousing per se.

Anyways, people in delivery stations, sortation stations, fulfillment centers, amazon xl warehouses are amazon associates.

The amazon TOM team drives trucks, inspects trailers and makes sure paperwork and everything is decent. these guys make decent money.

STRANGELY ENOUGH, teamsters SHOULD go after the drivers but they are not. instead they are fighting the losing battle of going after the dsps.

I think they are going after delivery dsps because there's more people, ie more dues.
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STRANGELY ENOUGH, teamsters SHOULD go after the drivers but they are not.

That is what I would have expected

instead they are fighting the losing battle of going after the dsps.

I think they are going after delivery dsps because there's more people, ie mor
dues.

That is a conclusion that I would draw from that.


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Remember that their delivery guys are contractors, not Amazon employees. mis-classified 1099 guy isn't going to attempt a strike, normally.

Interesting that they drive Amazon vans, so we wouldn't know if they're a contractor or an actual Amazon employee.

Around here, I have noticed that not all of them do show up in Amazon vans.
Some drive other vans (like you might see in a rental fleet) and the other
day I saw one driving what I would guess is their personal SUV.


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Nightfox wrote to Aaron Goldblatt <=-

Interesting that they drive Amazon vans, so we wouldn't know if they're
a contractor or an actual Amazon employee.

They've started doing overnight delivery - usually a guy in a Prius or a
Nissan Versa dropping boxes off on my front door between 4am and 8am.



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Around here, I have noticed that not all of them do show up in Amazon vans.
Some drive other vans (like you might see in a rental fleet) and the other day I saw one driving what I would guess is their personal SUV.

I've done that work. They dole out work in one- to four-hour blocks and you
use your personal car to deliver. You get a flat rate per block and hope for the best. Once you learn the system it's not bad, but the system is abused by people using bots, so your average stiff doesn't do very well.

ag

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Re: Re: Old School
By: Aaron Goldblatt to Dumas Walker on Sat Jan 18 2025 10:20 pm

Around here, I have noticed that not all of them do show up in Amazon vans.
Some drive other vans (like you might see in a rental fleet) and the other day I saw one driving what I would guess is their personal SUV.

I've done that work. They dole out work in one- to four-hour blocks and you use your personal car to deliver. You get a flat rate per block and hope for the best. Once you learn the system it's not bad, but the system is abused by people using bots, so your average stiff doesn't do very well.

ag

that's amazon flex driver which is a gig job. flex drivers pickup packages and deliver in their personal vehicles. they deliver what dps dont get or bring back.

I saw that it's a block of time and there's a pay rate. people say it's easy to do, but you have to be quick with collecting your blocks. I didn't notice any bot use, but i only signed up and got approved. I never delivered.

when i looked the times were all over the place. like early morning, middle of the day and night. and only small blocks.
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Around here, I have noticed that not all of them do show up in Amazon vans.
Some drive other vans (like you might see in a rental fleet) and the other day I saw one driving what I would guess is their personal SUV.

I've done that work. They dole out work in one- to four-hour blocks and you use your personal car to deliver. You get a flat rate per block and hope for the best. Once you learn the system it's not bad, but the system is abused by people using bots, so your average stiff doesn't do very well.

So the bots go out and grab all the good shifts?


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Re: Re: Old School
By: Dumas Walker to AARON GOLDBLATT on Sun Jan 19 2025 09:43 am

I've done that work. They dole out work in one- to four-hour blocks and you use your personal car to deliver. You get a flat rate per block and hope for the best. Once you learn the system it's not bad, but the system is abused by people using bots, so your average stiff doesn't do very well.

So the bots go out and grab all the good shifts?

that's the only thing you can do on the app is grab blocks.
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Re: Re: Old School
By: Aaron Goldblatt to Dumas Walker on Sat Jan 18 2025 10:20 pm

I've done that work. They dole out w
in one- to four-hour blocks and you

Where do you look for something like
that?

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Re: Old School
By: Margaerynne to MRO on Tue Jan 14 2025 09:01 pm

Hello, friends!

I'm eating a nice bowl of red beans and rice, and I'm wondering if anybody has good tips for spicing up a pot. My quick/weekday recipe is to saute the holy trinity, add Cajun seasoning followed by beans, and then simmer for a few hours. Finish it off with vinegar and salt, and it's golden.

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In my school district, we had all Apple II hardwares. I believe in much later years they had some Macintosh boxes and then the PCs came in high school - but I learned all on ProDOS and Turtle, with a dash of Oregon Trail. :P

It took until the junior year of high school in 1996 for the school
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People in high-school age all want to be bloggers and youtubers and they all take academic paths if given the option. You never see any youngster hoping to be an electrician anymore, so my hypothesis is there is not much interest in workshop-style work.

School districts sadly took out the shop classes in many of the
wealthier neighborhoods in my 9-12th grade school district. All kids
deserve the opportunity to do that stuff. Students from the wealthier neighorhoods should be able to be bused to schools that specialize in
those topics just as much as students in the low end neigborhoods should
be able to be bused to schools that might have AP Physics.


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My kids are clamoring for AP classes because they're more "fun" than
the basic classes - what they don't know yet is that senior year AP classes can be used for college credit, which makes scheduling the
first year of college much easier. ---

I only took 1 AP class and only got one class scrubbed off my college requirements.
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So the bots go out and grab all the good shifts?

that's the only thing you can do on the app is grab blocks.

Thanks. I am not familiar with it so I was not sure.


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Aaron Goldblatt wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

hope for the best. Once you learn the system it's not bad, but the
system is abused by people using bots, so your average stiff doesn't do very well.

How do they use bots?



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Re: Re: Old School
By: phigan to Aaron Goldblatt on Sun Jan 19 2025 20:26:27

Where do you look for something like that?

flex.amazon.com

ag

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Re: Re: Old School
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Aaron Goldblatt on Mon Jan 20 2025 08:51:08

How do they use bots?

I don't know the details; I couldn't get decent blocks after a few attempts, so I gave up and found other work.

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Remember that their delivery guys are contractors, not Amazon employees. A mis-classified 1099 guy isn't going to attempt a strike, normally.

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I did not realize that Amazon delivery people were independent contractors. Very interesting, thanks.

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I had a Buick 1968 Sportwagon 400 in the '70s and took it faithfully to the Buick Service Center.
One time when I was there the Shop Manager gave me a 1968 Buick Service Book telling me that it had belonged to an employee that left the place.

Next I bought a 1969 Buick Electra 225 with a 430 engine.
I used that Buick Book to adjust two screws on the Cruise Control box and had that car set where it didn't deviate from the speed I set it at when I was driving it .

On the way to Somerset Kentucky is Halls Gap.
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Long ago I was a regular in the FIDO Basic Echo.
Were You there too?

I haven't seen the Basic Echo listed anymore.
There were sure some members who wrote some very nice Basic Programs in that echo.
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Re: Re: Old School
By: Dumas Walker to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Mon Jan 06 2025 09:01:00

All the talk about junior colleges, community colleges, and voc schools -- something that dried up in my area decades ago was affordable trade classes...

You wanted to learn welding basics, metal working, household electrical work, etc, there were 2-3 month long classes that would meet 1-2x week at night and you'd pay a couple of hundred bucks, maybe a bit more.

Those don't seem to exist around here anymore -- and haven't for a long time because I can remember seeing them when I was kid at 10-15 in the "community education" fliers we'd get, but by the time I was 25-30 those were gone. The best you could get was to sign up for a certificate series which was often several thousand dollars or more.

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In Louisville Kentucky there was one High School called a Trade School.
I didn't choose to attend there.
The H.S. that I went to had College Preparatory classes and General Technical classes and maybe others I can't. recall right now.

College prep required students to take a Foreign Language
My brother took Spanish class, I looked at his book and decided I DID NOT want to learn a Foreign Language.

Four Classes of Mechanical Drawing was required with the General Tech. Program, along with English, Biology, Algebra, Plane Geometry, Physics and Shops. ( I took Woodworking and Electronics / Radio).
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On the way to Somerset Kentucky is Halls Gap.
I set the Cruise Control button at 40 MPH and that Buick went up that hill an
later down that hill it never slowed down or speeded up on that trip.

I've been through there once. Keeping a steady speed on an older cruise control setup is pretty impressive.

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Re: Re: Old School
By: Ed Vance to Nightfox on Tue Jan 21 2025 08:23 pm

Long ago I was a regular in the FIDO Basic Echo. Were You there too?

I haven't seen the Basic Echo listed anymore. There were sure some members who wrote some very nice Basic Programs in that echo.

No, I wasn't very active on FidoNet in the 90s.

Nightfox

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Next I bought a 1969 Buick Electra 225 with a 430 engine.

I took my driver's test in one of those - parallel parking it was a
bitch, it was almost 19 feet long!



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Re: Old School
By: MRO to Arelor on Sat Jan 04 2025 12:04:21

Re: Old School
By: Arelor to Bf2k+ on Sat Jan 04 2025 09:06 am

I wish i knew then what i know now. There's some certs you can get where you can still get a job with a pension and barely do
anything.

Any idea what those jobs are?

I would like to get one myself.

Seriously ... something to talk to my kids about.

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Re: Old School
By: bbsing to MRO on Fri Apr 04 2025 04:14 pm

Re: Old School
By: MRO to Arelor on Sat Jan 04 2025 12:04:21

Re: Old School
By: Arelor to Bf2k+ on Sat Jan 04 2025 09:06 am

I wish i knew then what i know now. There's some certs you can get where you can still get a job with a pension and barely do anything.

Any idea what those jobs are?

I would like to get one myself.

Seriously ... something to talk to my kids about.

go work in a foundry.
uspostal UPS
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Re: Old School
By: Tinman to Margaerynne on Wed Jan 15 2025 12:00 am

Hello fellow bean connoisseur !
[beans & rice recipe omitted]
hope you find some value here.

-Tinman.

Overall this is the same process I use, but the commentary on seasoning
was incredibly helpful. I've started pre-mixing spice blends, and I always
welcome new ones.


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Re: Old School
By: MRO to bbsing on Fri Apr 04 2025 07:03 pm

where you can still get a job with a pension and barely do anything.

Any idea what those jobs are?

uspostal UPS

I don't know about UPS proper, but when I go deliver parcels to my local logistics agency, they are always up their necks in work. I rarely see anybody idling. Everybody is loading, unloading or classifying parcels.


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Re: Old School
By: Arelor to MRO on Sat Apr 05 2025 09:18 am

uspostal UPS

I don't know about UPS proper, but when I go deliver parcels to my local logistics agency, they are always up their necks in work. I rarely see anybody idling. Everybody is loading, unloading or classifying parcels.

well i worked at ups as a part time job in like 2017. it wasnt that bad but it was certainly a weird place to work at. you could only work part time and if you were there forever you could work 2 part time jobs and be full time. also the start time was different every day. the breaks were like 5 mins.

this is a loading position, not everyone at ups is a driver. it takes forever to be a driver. they have 100% covered insurance and will reimburse you for ANY schooling. they said even if it was basket weaving.

anyways, ups isnt that bad. being a ups driver isnt bad too.
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Re: Old School
By: MRO to bbsing on Fri Apr 04 2025 19:03:00

Any idea what those jobs are?

I would like to get one myself.

Seriously ... something to talk to my kids about.

go work in a foundry.
uspostal UPS

Thanks.

My backup job has been the US postal service.

With all the talk of cuts I hope its still there down the road.

A foundry sounds interesting but I don't think there is one in my area.

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Re: Old School
By: bbsing to MRO on Tue Apr 08 2025 07:16 pm

My backup job has been the US postal service.

What do you do there?

I've thought about applying at USPS.

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Re: Old School
By: bbsing to MRO on Tue Apr 08 2025 07:16 pm

Seriously ... something to talk to my kids about.

go work in a foundry.
uspostal UPS

Thanks.

My backup job has been the US postal service.

With all the talk of cuts I hope its still there down the road.

A foundry sounds interesting but I don't think there is one in my area.

what do you mean "your backup job"?
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Re: Old School
By: phigan to bbsing on Wed Apr 09 2025 14:47:22

Re: Old School
By: bbsing to MRO on Tue Apr 08 2025 07:16 pm

My backup job has been the US postal service.

What do you do there?

I've thought about applying at USPS.

Hi phigan,

I don't work at USPS. When I say my 'backup job' I mean it in a way like you, I've always wanted to apply. Right now I have a job. I work in IT but IT is always laying people off and sometimes it gets tiring to always have that worry every 6 to 9 months.

take care
bbsing

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